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- Info-Hams Digest Sat, 10 Sep 94 Volume 94 : Issue 1012
-
- Today's Topics:
- Boatanchors list - anybody know what the status is???
- Callsign Servers
- Hiram Maxim's Flying Machine
- NYS Ham License Plates
- SAREX Info Sheet
- When was or is Gathersburg Hamfest?
-
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- policies or positions of any party. Your mileage may vary. So there.
- ----------------------------------------------------------------------
-
- Date: 9 Sep 1994 13:22:04 -0400
- From: noc.near.net!shore.shore.net!shore.shore.net!not-for-mail@uunet.uu.net
- Subject: Boatanchors list - anybody know what the status is???
- To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
-
- Does anyone know what the current status of the Boat-anchors mailing list
- is? I sent a subscription request about two months ago and have seen
- nothing since. I read a post somewhere that there was a problem with the
- list owner and the poster advised against sending in any more
- subscription requests until things were normalized. Can anyone out there
- tell me what's happening?
-
- 73,
-
- Michael Crestohl KH6KD/W1
- mc@shore.net
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: 9 Sep 1994 20:24:09 GMT
- From: cs.utexas.edu!news.tamu.edu!furuta@uunet.uu.net
- Subject: Callsign Servers
- To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
-
- In article <Charles.R.Hohenstein.1-070994203512@mac16.debartolo.lab.nd.edu>,
- Charles R. Hohenstein <Charles.R.Hohenstein.1@nd.edu> wrote:
- >Will there be an update to the callsign servers anytime soon, or are they
- >only updated on a yearly basis? I believe, for example, that the last
- >update to callsign.cs.buffalo.edu 2000 occured in January. I'm not
- >bitching, mind you--I simply wondered when to expect new info.
- >
- >Charles
- >N9SQE
-
- I believe that the callsign server is updated when someone donates a copy of
- the database to the maintainer. I recall that the January update took place
- when someone donated a copy of the QRZ! CD-ROM to the maintainer (in fact the
- information message says it was N9DK). I imagine the next update will occur
- when someone donates the Summer QRZ! CD-ROM. There's not a large, well-funded
- bureaucracy behind these things---just the generosity of volunteers.
-
- --Rick
- KE3IV
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: 9 Sep 1994 17:02:19 GMT
- From: iphase.com!wes@uunet.uu.net
- Subject: Hiram Maxim's Flying Machine
- To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
-
- I thought the inventor of the maching gun was Hiram Percy Maxium's
- uncle no his father.
-
- Wes
-
- WA5TKU
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: Fri, 09 Sep 94 14:57:33 PDT
- From: psinntp!interramp.com!usenet@uunet.uu.net
- Subject: NYS Ham License Plates
- To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
-
- In article <34km0s$4v5@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, <alan@watsun.cc.columbia.edu>
- writes:
-
- > I just got a nice letter yesterday from the NYS Custom Plates office.
- > They apologized for the delays which were due to heavy demand and some
- > problems with manufacturing the newly designed plates and assured me
- > that my plates would be shipped out by September 16th. They had cashed
- > the check around August 14th.
- >
- > 73 de Alan N2YGK
-
- I got the letter from NYS Custom plates too, indicating a target date of Sept.
- 30th. Funny though, as I did not order the new plates (but I did get an
- invitation from them to do so earlier).
-
- mla
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: 10 Sep 94 02:28:09 GMT
- From: news-mail-gateway@ucsd.edu
- Subject: SAREX Info Sheet
- To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
-
- SB SAREX @ AMSAT $STS-64.002
- SAREX Info Sheet
-
-
- STS-64 Shuttle Amateur Radio Experiment (SAREX)
- Information Sheet
-
- Mission: STS-64 Space Shuttle Discovery
- Lidar In-Space Technology Experiment (LITE-1)
- SPARTAN-201
- Robot Operated Materials Processing System (ROMPS)
-
- Launch: September 9, 1994, 22:22 UTC
-
- Orbit: 57 degree inclination
-
- Mission Length: 9 days (Nominal)
-
- Amateur
- Radio
- Operators: Dick Richards, KB5SIW, Commander, Blaine Hammond, KC5HBS,
- Pilot, and Jerry Linenger, KC5HBR, Mission Specialist
-
- Modes: FM Voice
- Prime callsign: KB5SIW
-
- Packet Radio
- Callsign: W5RRR-1
-
- Frequencies: All operations in split mode. Do not transmit on
- the downlink frequency.
-
- Voice Freqs: Downlink: 145.55 MHz (Worldwide)
- Uplinks: 144.91, 144.93, 144.95, 144.97, 144.99 MHz
- (Except Europe)
- 144.70, 144.75, 144.80 MHz (Europe only)
-
- Note: the crew will not favor any specific uplink
- frequency, so your ability to work the crew will
- be the "luck of the draw"
-
- Packet Freqs: Downlink: 145.55 MHz
- Uplink: 144.49 MHz
-
- Info: Goddard Amateur Radio Club, WA3NAN, Greenbelt Maryland,
- SAREX Bulletins and Shuttle Retransmissions
- 3860 KHz, 7185 KHz, 14,295 KHz, 21,395 KHz, 28,650 KHz
- and 147.45 MHz (FM)
-
- ARRL Amateur Radio Station, W1AW, Newington, CT
- SAREX News Bulletins
- 3990, 7290, 14,290, 18,160, 21,390, and 28,590 KHz
- and 147.555 MHz (FM)
-
- Also, bulletins available on internet, via AMSAT ANS,
- Compuserve, and your local PBSS.
-
- School Group Participation: 10 school groups will participate
- in SAREX with pre-scheduled direct
- and telebridge contacts. These include
- nine in the U.S., and one in New Zealand.
-
-
- QSLs: ARRL Headquarters
- SAREX QSL (please indicate flight #, STS-XX)
- 225 Main Street
- Newington, CT 06111
- This address must be used for all future missions.
-
- In order for the managing process to run smoothly, please include
- the following information in your QSL or report: Shuttle flight
- nur (STS-XX), date, time in UTC, frequency and mode (FM voice,
- packet, sstv or fv). This documents the contact or listener
- report. In addition, you must also include an SASE using a large,
- business-sized envelope you wish to receive a card. No cards
- are distributed without the proper post affixed or sufficient
- IRCs included.
-
- The following clubs have graciously volunteered their service for
- handling QSL cards for the following missions:
-
- STS-58 Connecticut DX Association
- STS-60 Cowley County Amateur Radio Club, Kansas
- STS-59 Orange Park Amateur Radio Club, Florida
- STS-64 Nashua Area Radio Club, New Hampshire
-
- Information provided by Frank H. Bauer, KA3HDO and Robert Inderbitzen, NQ1R
- for the SAREX Working Group
-
- /EX
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: 9 Sep 1994 17:04:10 GMT
- From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!usc!cs.utexas.edu!convex!news.duke.edu!eff!blanket.mitre.org!linus.mitre.org!newsflash.mitre.org!m14494-mac.mitre.org!user@network.ucsd.edu
- Subject: When was or is Gathersburg Hamfest?
- To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
-
- In article <RICHARD_BOLT-090994100519@bolt.gsfc.nasa.gov>,
- RICHARD_BOLT@CCMAIL.GSFC.NASA.GOV (Lightning Bolt) wrote:
-
- > Was away on vacation, might have missed it? Dick W1DGA
-
- This Sunday, 11 September.
- --
- mwhite@mitre.org
-
- My opinions are my own, not my employer's.
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: Fri, 9 Sep 1994 16:27:20 GMT
- From: psinntp!arrl.org!ehare@uunet.uu.net
- To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
-
- References <CvBo19.FsG@news.Hawaii.Edu>, <1994Aug31.145924.17054@arrl.org>, <gregCvGGoD.6sM@netcom.com>t
- Subject : Re: Thanks, ARRL
-
- Greg Bullough (greg@netcom.com) wrote:
-
- : In article <1994Aug31.145924.17054@arrl.org> ehare@arrl.org (Ed Hare (KA1CV)) writes:
-
- : >Thanks, Jeff. It sometimes gets discouraging to work a 70-hour week (paid
- : >only for 37.5 of them) and then get here in the morning and see some of the
- : >usenet participants trash us for our imperfections.
-
- : You begin to go down the wrong path when you mistake criticism for lack
- : of gratitude.
-
- I only make that mistake with folks who choose only to show the criticism
- and keep the gratitude to themselves. :-) An understandable mistake, I hope.
-
- : >Sadly, I often see that we are being criticized for not doing something
- : >we already do, or for doing something that we don't do;
-
- : Education is part of running a business, too. It's called PR. Like it or
- : not, perceptions are real, and people make decisions based on them. If
- : people don't see what you're doing, then you need to be more effective in
- : showing them. That's all.
-
- True indeed, however, I see this problem as a two-way street; I think that
- people who are going to make decisions about an organization share in
- the responsibility to be properly informed. Unfortunately, it is easy
- to miss something in the 200+ pages of information we publish in QST,
- the thousands of pages of information we publish in our books or in
- the megabytes of files we make available on our server and by ftp, etc.
-
- : For example, you have here, rather than receiving a compliment with a
- : gracious 'why thank you,' responded with a laundry list of why this
- : forum makes you so miserable.
-
- : Not real appropriate.
-
- Part of the value of this forum is that we amplify and expand on each
- other's ideas. If I limit my responses only to exactly the subject at
- hand, and offer no original thought, each thread would die down in short
- order. Come to think of it . . . :-)
-
- : >Even more sadly, I have seen us criticized
- : >*appropriately* on this forum *instead* of having the "constructive
- : >criticism" directed to the appropriate staff or to your Division
- : >Director who *can* change League policy.
-
- : Now this is VERY inappropriate. It comes across as trying to quash League
- : Members' and other Radio Amateurs' expresssion of their thoughts in a
- : public forum of their own choosing. For years, the staff, directors,
- : and officers have had a forum of their own, QST, and have filtered
- : dissenting opinions rather high-handedly. In fact, they frequently used
- : the journal to belittle dissenting opinions.
-
- : Ed, I don't know if it's what you intend, but it comes across as if
- : you are saying 'go through channels, where we can decide what spin to
- : put on your expression of opinion...'
-
- Oh, that is not at all what I intended! I must admit that I am a bit
- surprised to see your reaction from someone who has an opportunity
- to see me for a few years on this forum. I had hoped that the emphasis
- of *instead* would communicate my intent. If it was insufficient for
- some, I do apologize. I keep forgetting that this group of fine folks
- is comprised of a wide spectrum of technical and social backgrounds and
- I guess that the things unsaid can be important. OTOH, it has oft' been
- pointed out to me that some of my posts tend to blather on and on and ...
- I was trying to cut to the quick of my communication without the usual
- pages of explanation about how and why I had come to believe as I do.
-
- I find this forum to be quite useful, or I wouldn't use it. It has
- helped me to shape and sound out my ideas quite effectively. You may
- have missed the number of times I have said so.
-
- : As a organization run by the Membership, the League doesn't have the
- : luxury of putting on blinders. At this point, I frankly expect my
- : Division Director to be reading this forum (I'm willing to see
- : the League foot the bill for an account, which may also be used
- : for League business-related e-mail, if that's what it takes) in
- : order to stay in touch with what people are saying about things.
-
- : But I *really really* have a problem with League Staff trying to
- : get the membership to not voice their opinions.
-
- Well, I re-read my post and just didn't see where I tried to get anyone
- NOT to voice their opinions. If I really stretch, I can read that into
- my choice of words, but that is not my intent -- never has been and never
- will be.
-
- : To be blunt, Ed, it's not what I pay you for. Express any opinion
- : you want in this forum, but do not, under your ARRL hat and signature,
- : try and get the members you serve to be quiet. Or to re-direct them
- : to a place where other members-at-large can't hear them. Don't.
-
- I didn't. See below.
-
- : >I encourage all rec.radio.amateur participants to make your views known to
- : >your Division Director, by mail, email, telephone or in person at his or her
- : >many appearances at conventions, hamfests and club meetings! The
- : >info@arrl.org files have a list of HQ and ARRL officers email addresses,
- : >postal mail addresses, telephone numbers, etc. See also page 8 of QST. This
- : >forum has produced many excellent ideas and a wide spectrum of amateur
- : >community opinion. If it worth saying it is worth saying to the ARRL
- : >Division Directors, too. All of the Directors I have met feel that they
- ^^^
- Now I think Jon Bloom's summary of my intent was more eloquent than mine,
- but I think I got the idea across. Let me sum it up by encouraging
- communication, here, with each other, with HQ staff and Directors.
-
- We will never put the puzzle together by keeping the pieces inside the box.
-
- 73 from ARRL HQ, Ed
- --
- Ed Hare, KA1CV, ARRL Laboratory, 225 Main, Newington, CT 06111
- 203-666-1541 ehare@arrl.org
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: Fri, 9 Sep 1994 16:57:42 GMT
- From: psinntp!arrl.org!ehare@uunet.uu.net
- To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
-
- References <CvBo19.FsG@news.Hawaii.Edu>, <1994Aug31.145924.17054@arrl.org>, <gregCvGGoD.6sM@netcom.com>
- Subject : ARRL to serve? or shape? (was Re: Thanks, ARRL)
-
- Greg Bullough (greg@netcom.com) wrote:
-
- : And, by the way, I also believe that the staff (that means *you*) should
- : exercise some restraint in counter-pointing the views of the membership.
- : We are, after all, an organization of members. The views of the members
- : prevail. The staff is there to serve, not to shape, the will of the Amateur
- : Radio community. Even if the staff believe that will is wrong. And yes,
- : most of the staff are members, but as such they must still take care not
- : to use their position to overly influence membership opinion, and to avoid
- ^^^^^^
- : the perception of doing so.
-
- I agree, the HQ staff must exerise some restraint and must be viewed
- as representing this organization on all of their posts on this forum. The
- last time I said so, it erupted into a "League Censor" flame war, though.
- :-) Having said that, don't expect us not to be real people, with our own
- individual ideas. Those personal ideas will color our posts and
- our membership contact. Very few things in life are black and white.
-
- I think your choice of the word "overly" is the definitive part of what
- you said; we are here to both serve and to shape. The skill in doing
- our jobs comes from the balance.
-
- Let me demonstrate that with an example: Mentally answer the question
- that follows.
-
- QUESTION: "The amateur service continues to have problems with interference.
- Should the ARRL push to get susceptibilty legislation to replace the
- voluntary standards for RFI immunity of consumer electronics equipment?"
-
- I can almost hear the resounding "yes!" If I am proscribed from shaping
- amateur opinion, I can count the votes and set the appropriate action
- in place.
-
- However, let me now shape amateur opinion on the issue by offering a point
- of view formed from several years of experience and thought:
-
- ___
- Susceptibility legislation is a two-edged sword. One one hand, there is
- a distinct benefit to force the manufacturers to build equipment that is
- immune to our legal signals. However, the current standards in US and Europe
- range from immunity of 3- to 10-volts/meter. These standards represent
- the state of the art that can be achieved without increasing the cost of
- TVs to be higher than an air-force screwdriver. It is not likely that we
- can get legislation enacted for much more than the current US standards
- of 3 V/m.
-
- Approximately 90% of the 100-watt class amateur stations would not generate
- a field in a neighbor's house > 3 V/m. (10% would.) Most 1500-watt class
- stations would generate a stronger field. In most European countries,
- the immunity standards have the force of law. If we were to get immunity
- enacted here, there would be a real risk that once it is deemed best to
- take a legislated approach to EMI problems, that legislated approach would
- be applied equally(?) to the consumer equipment and RF emitters. If hams
- ended up with legislation that required us not to generate a field > 3 V/m,
- it would defacto limit the power of most amateur stations. This would also
- be a burden on amateur stations, who might have to prove their field
- strength to be below the limits. This is happening in several countries
- as we speak (any expansion from our European participants?)
-
- For this reason, I recommend that we continue to work closely with
- manufacturers and standards groups to strengthen the process that
- is resulting in ongoing improvements to the immunity of consumer
- equipment, saving a legislated approach only for a last resort.
- ___
-
- I offer that the amateur community is much better served by my shaping
- of opinion on this issue rather than leaving each person to determine
- what is the best course of action, probably basing an opinion on less
- information that I have managed to gather in 5 years of being the ARRL
- RFI Desk. (Please do not read into this that I am prohibiting anyone
- from forming their own opinions on this, or any issue, using any amount
- of information they deem appropriate.) It does demonstate
- that there are few black and white issues, or black and white rules on
- how HQ staff should conduct themselves. All in all, I think we have
- conducted ourselves with dignity and honor, and usefully, on this
- forum.
-
- 73 from ARRL HQ, Ed
- --
- Ed Hare, KA1CV, ARRL Laboratory, 225 Main, Newington, CT 06111
- 203-666-1541 ehare@arrl.org
-
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-
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